From rich at merjis.com  Wed Aug 16 08:13:07 2006
From: rich at merjis.com (Richard W.M. Jones)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:13:07 +0100
Subject: [Ocaml-i18n] [Ocaml-lib-devel] ExtLib UTF8 not compatible with
	Camomile
In-Reply-To: <E1GDMyU-0004rm-Pb@micro>
References: <20060816145151.GA19014@furbychan.cocan.org>
	<E1GDMyU-0004rm-Pb@micro>
Message-ID: <20060816151307.GG14414@furbychan.cocan.org>

On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 05:06:30PM +0200, sylvain.le-gall at polytechnique.org wrote:
> I am the debian package maintainer of Camomile... Is camomile in debian too
> old or too recent ? ( FYI, i think i will update camomile to 0.7.0 next
> week or so). 

Actually it's not Debian, but (cough) Ubuntu, so you'll probably tell
me to go away, but anyhow.

My Debian system (where we will eventually upload & run this code) is
running Debian/stable, and I can't find Camomile there at all, so in
fact this may be a moot issue.

Here are the Ubuntu versions anyway:

  Package: libcamomile-ocaml-dev
  Priority: optional
  Section: universe/libdevel
  Installed-Size: 2988
  Maintainer: Sylvain Le Gall <sylvain.le-gall at polytechnique.org>
  Architecture: amd64
  Source: camomile
  Version: 0.6.3-3
  Depends: ocaml-nox-3.09.1, libcamomile-ocaml-data (= 0.6.3-3)
  Filename: pool/universe/c/camomile/libcamomile-ocaml-dev_0.6.3-3_amd64.deb
  Size: 577914
  MD5sum: a17177fc5c9a0c4682691bd4b043be6a
  Description: Unicode library for OCaml
   Camomile is a comprehensive Unicode library for objective caml language.
   The library is currently designed to conform Unicode Standard 3.2.
   .
   Normalisers (NFD, NFKD, NFC, NFKC) and collator (string comparison) pass
   the conformance tests defined Unicode Technical Reports. Collator is also
   tested to Canadian, Thai and Japanese standards with their locales.
  Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
  Origin: Ubuntu

  Package: libextlib-ocaml-dev
  Priority: optional
  Section: universe/libdevel
  Installed-Size: 1828
  Maintainer: Stefano Zacchiroli <zack at debian.org>
  Architecture: amd64
  Source: extlib
  Version: 1.4-5
  Depends: ocaml-nox-3.09.1, ocaml-findlib (>= 1.1)
  Filename: pool/universe/e/extlib/libextlib-ocaml-dev_1.4-5_amd64.deb
  Size: 270454
  MD5sum: fefaed5bdc926d1c07bf229903fecdc9
  Description: extended standard library for OCaml
   ExtLib is a project aiming at providing a complete - yet small -
   standard library for the OCaml programming language.
   .
   The purpose of this library is to add new functions to OCaml
   Standard Library modules, to modify some functions in order to
   get better performances or more safety (tail-recursive) but also
   to provide new modules which should be useful for the average
   OCaml programmer.
   .
   ExtLib contains modules implementing: enumeration over abstract
   collection of elements, efficient bit sets, dynamic arrays,
   references on lists, Unicode characters and UTF-8 encoded
   strings, additional and improved functions for hashtables,
   strings, lists and option types.
  Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
  Origin: Ubuntu

Rich.

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From rich at annexia.org  Wed Aug 16 07:51:51 2006
From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:51:51 +0100
Subject: [Ocaml-i18n] ExtLib UTF8 not compatible with Camomile
Message-ID: <20060816145151.GA19014@furbychan.cocan.org>


ExtLib's UTF8 isn't precisely compatible with Camomile's UTF8 (or at
least not in the version of Debian I'm using).  This makes it
impossible to use Camomile with ExtLib, which is a bit of a
showstopper for me at the moment.

I think we should remove UTF8 from ExtLib to avoid this and future
incompatibilities.

Rich.

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From rich at merjis.com  Wed Aug 16 09:48:38 2006
From: rich at merjis.com (Richard W.M. Jones)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:48:38 +0100
Subject: [Ocaml-i18n] [Ocaml-lib-devel] ExtLib UTF8 not compatible with
	Camomile
In-Reply-To: <44E33DAB.3090408@motion-twin.com>
References: <20060816145151.GA19014@furbychan.cocan.org>
	<44E33DAB.3090408@motion-twin.com>
Message-ID: <20060816164838.GI14414@furbychan.cocan.org>

On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 05:45:47PM +0200, Nicolas Cannasse wrote:
> > ExtLib's UTF8 isn't precisely compatible with Camomile's UTF8 (or at
> > least not in the version of Debian I'm using).  This makes it
> > impossible to use Camomile with ExtLib, which is a bit of a
> > showstopper for me at the moment.
> > 
> > I think we should remove UTF8 from ExtLib to avoid this and future
> > incompatibilities.
> I'm currently using ExtLib UTF8 in several projects.

Me too ..

> I'm then against removing it from ExtLib. What are the compatibility
> problem ? I think they can be addressed without causing a lot of
> worries.

The different, btw, is that my Camomile UTF8 contains UTF8.first
function, which is not in Extlib UTF8.

We can keep updating ExtLib UTF8 to match Camomile UTF8, and accept
that it'll be out of synch, or people can just install Camomile when
they want UTF8 support.  On Debian/Ubuntu, it's just a single command
to install Camomile.

Rich.

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From sylvain.le-gall at polytechnique.org  Wed Aug 16 08:06:30 2006
From: sylvain.le-gall at polytechnique.org (sylvain.le-gall at polytechnique.org)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:06:30 +0200
Subject: [Ocaml-i18n] [Ocaml-lib-devel] ExtLib UTF8 not compatible with
	Camomile
In-Reply-To: <20060816145151.GA19014@furbychan.cocan.org>
References: <20060816145151.GA19014@furbychan.cocan.org>
Message-ID: <E1GDMyU-0004rm-Pb@micro>

Richard Jones writes: 

> 
> ExtLib's UTF8 isn't precisely compatible with Camomile's UTF8 (or at
> least not in the version of Debian I'm using).  This makes it
> impossible to use Camomile with ExtLib, which is a bit of a
> showstopper for me at the moment. 
> 
> I think we should remove UTF8 from ExtLib to avoid this and future
> incompatibilities. 
> 
> Rich. 
> 
> -- 
> Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd.
> Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com
> Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com 
> 

Hello, 

I am the debian package maintainer of Camomile... Is camomile in debian too
old or too recent ? ( FYI, i think i will update camomile to 0.7.0 next
week or so). 

Kind regard
Sylvain Le Gall 



From peter at jollys.org  Wed Aug 16 13:24:21 2006
From: peter at jollys.org (Peter Jolly)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:24:21 +0100
Subject: [Ocaml-i18n] [Ocaml-lib-devel] ExtLib UTF8 not compatible with
	Camomile
In-Reply-To: <ebvqeu$4db$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <20060816145151.GA19014@furbychan.cocan.org>	<44E33DAB.3090408@motion-twin.com>	<20060816164838.GI14414@furbychan.cocan.org>
	<ebvqeu$4db$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <44E37EF5.6040506@jollys.org>

Bardur Arantsson wrote:
> Could we simply rename the UTF8 module to something like SimpleUTF8 to 
> avoid confusion about whether it's supposed to 'emulate' Camomile's UTF8 
> module?

I don't think there's any need to rename it, with all the consequent
breakage of existing code; there's no namespace clash since (by default)
Camomile's module is called Camomile.UTF8, not just UTF8, and it _is_
supposed to emulate Camomile's module!  :)

Note that this incompatibility between ExtLib and Camomile's interfaces
has not been caused by a recent change; if I'm reading the CVS logs
correctly, Camomile.UTF8.first was added some two years ago, and the
Camomile.UTF8 interface has not changed at all since then.  Keeping the
two modules synchronised (or, more precisely, keeping ExtLib's UTF8
module signature compatible with Camomile.UnicodeString.Type) should not
be problematic now that it has been identified as a desirable thing.


From rich at annexia.org  Fri Aug 18 10:55:41 2006
From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:55:41 +0100
Subject: [Ocaml-i18n] [Ocaml-lib-devel] ExtLib UTF8 not compatible with
	Camomile
In-Reply-To: <44E37EF5.6040506@jollys.org>
References: <20060816145151.GA19014@furbychan.cocan.org>
	<44E33DAB.3090408@motion-twin.com>
	<20060816164838.GI14414@furbychan.cocan.org>
	<ebvqeu$4db$1@sea.gmane.org> <44E37EF5.6040506@jollys.org>
Message-ID: <20060818175541.GA13061@furbychan.cocan.org>

On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 09:24:21PM +0100, Peter Jolly wrote:
> I don't think there's any need to rename it, with all the consequent
> breakage of existing code; there's no namespace clash since (by default)
> Camomile's module is called Camomile.UTF8, not just UTF8, and it _is_
> supposed to emulate Camomile's module!  :)

Do I need to do something special to get this "packed" version of
Camomile?  Here is the error I'm experiencing:

$ ocaml -I +camomile -I +extlib
        Objective Caml version 3.09.1

# #load "unix.cma";;
# #load "bigarray.cma";;
# #load "extLib.cma";;
# #load "camomile.cma";;
# UTF8.first;;
The files /usr/lib/ocaml/3.09.1/extlib/extLib.cma
and /usr/lib/ocaml/3.09.1/camomile/uTF8.cmi make inconsistent assumptions
over interface UTF8

Rich.

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From rich at annexia.org  Fri Aug 18 10:57:23 2006
From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:57:23 +0100
Subject: [Ocaml-i18n] [Ocaml-lib-devel] ExtLib UTF8 not compatible with
	Camomile
In-Reply-To: <ace6b6830608161529t3609de59kef73d7b1ba5a6591@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060816145151.GA19014@furbychan.cocan.org>
	<44E33DAB.3090408@motion-twin.com>
	<20060816164838.GI14414@furbychan.cocan.org>
	<ace6b6830608161529t3609de59kef73d7b1ba5a6591@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060818175723.GB13061@furbychan.cocan.org>

On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 07:29:18AM +0900, Yoriyuki Yamagata wrote:
> I'm not sure what is your problem.  All Camomile modules are packed,
> so there should not be a name space issue.  (The versions < 0.7.0
> installed suprious cmi like UTF8.cmi.  This problem is fixed in 0.7.0)

Right, thanks, I've got it now.

I was using a somewhat archaic version of Camomile.  The version
installed by Ubuntu is 0.6.3 (< 0.7.0).

Rich.

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